Andrew ([info]prock) wrote,

What I learned in Threshold 2008

So [info]marknau and [info]gunga_galunga asked what came out of Threshold 2008.

The most important thing I learned is that cities and counties in California get more revenue from commercial use of land than residential use of land. Because of this, there has been disproportionate investment rates leading to an imbalance. So if you want to solve the problem on a smaller region basis, the imbalance needs to be corrected. Ways to solve the problem include:

1) drive out business
2) build more housing
3) a combination of the two
4) or push the solution out to the broader

But until the underlying incentive bias is corrected, the problem will persist. There seemed to be very little political will to correct this revenue bias. Ergo, there will be no solution until the system collapses under it's own weight.

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[info]marknau

March 17 2008, 18:00:58 UTC 4 years ago

I guess the main issue I'm having is that we've skipped the "establish strategic goals" step.

What is the "problem" that "solve the problem" refers to? More commerical spaces than housing spaces? Why do I care about that?

[info]prock

March 17 2008, 18:05:29 UTC 4 years ago

So yeah, there is the issue of defining and prioritizing problems. The problem with a commercial/residential imbalance is that it leads to inefficiencies. People must commute futher and use more transportation resources, so there's opportunity cost and a capital cost to an imbalance. Of course, if they are in balance, there's nothing to say that the still won't commute like insane lemmings, but at least they'd be doing it for other reasons beyond necessity.

[info]rvrjoe775

March 17 2008, 20:39:18 UTC 4 years ago

Hey, still on vacation so only online briefly, but wanted to wish you a slightly belated happy birthday - hope you had a good one!

[info]prock

March 20 2008, 22:39:09 UTC 4 years ago

Thanks for the well wishing.

new icon = great

:)

[info]sierra_nevada

March 18 2008, 15:53:04 UTC 4 years ago

You speak of the "third rail" of CA politics, Proposition 13 and the imbalances that it creates in possible funding sources for city/county government operations and programs. It cannot be changed without a general plebescite. Ergo, those governments must prioritize expenditures more carefully, and must seek revenue from taxes on things other than property (oh, hay, sales taxes!).

[info]patrissimo

March 19 2008, 00:53:52 UTC 4 years ago

Ah, so that's one reason why house prices are high - this artificially restricts the supply of housing.
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